BF3 Beta Discussion because I want to be angry

[Seba]

I hate how unbalanced every game is, at least for me. Every single round is either a roll through all four stages in less than five minutes, or the attackers are held up at spawn in the first area.

Weapon balance seems to be alright, although it bothers me that the weapons unlocked later on are so much better than the default ones (M16 is still OP as fuck though). Sniper rifles also could use a bit of an accuracy nerf, getting oneshotted by a walking sniper is never fun and makes me mad as shit.

I wish that we could play some CQ or at least had an APC in Rush. Also Rush blows ass, Conquest Assault is the fucking shit. I WANT TO FLY A FUCKING JET

Oh, and share your opinions too, I guess

[Trotim]

is it true you can't change your graphics/etc options without going into a random game

[owly-oop]

is it true you can't change your graphics/etc options without going into a random game

yes, and you have to be alive to change the options



bf3 with no vehicles (metro map) is poop. caspian border was AWESOME but they shut down those servers for whatever reason

[AgeNt_]

when i first loaded it up, it gave me a driver error saying my Nvidia GTX 560 ti driver is wrong. so i found out nvidia put out a special driver beta update for the beta so i downloaded it and got to play it. Got to run it in Ultra everything and to be honest, it wasn't anything special as i seen. last area on the map i played was a steam roll. defenders had no cover while attackers had the buildings. so i booted my computer up today to find out im getting the error again, even though i updated the drivers yesterday. oh well, guess ill just go watch breaking bad again.

[Mr. Wimples]

Battleog confirms once again EA is gaming antichrist.

[HellJumper]

I like the system of where I have to join a server via a web browser. That's my favorite feature.

[yyler]

Sounds like yet another shit game made by shit dudes who shit on all the shit they shit out every year. No one is ever surprised, and yet year after year this shit is bought. I don't get it. I really don't. They even tell you in advance how they are ruining it even more and you buy it anyway.

[Wilson]

If anything ruins this game, it is EA's all this battlelog and origin crap.
They are hard to use, annoying and they have some questionable stuff going on, like Origin making EA able to see all files on your computer.

[Dr. Spud]

Seems pretty good but feels a little too much like Bad Company 2 (as opposed to like BF2). Right down to the same stupid pause-menu interface as Bad Company 2.

Battlelog is interesting, haven't decided whether I completely like it or not. Putting it in a web browser is strange (why not just a launcher window?), but it at least functions pretty well. Loading up the game was surprisingly quick.

Origin can suck a bag of dicks.

[umbratile]

when i first loaded it up, it gave me a driver error saying my Nvidia GTX 560 ti driver is wrong. so i found out nvidia put out a special driver beta update for the beta so i downloaded it and got to play it.

I have the exact same card but Nvidia's site is only giving me the 280.26 version of the driver, not the 285.27 version that BF3 is asking for. The result is that it's so glitchy and laggy that I just can't play. :/

[Bermuda Cake]

I've been enjoying it. The metro map is very well made, although no vehicles is a shame. It's always clear where you have to go, and I don't feel as exposed as I did in bfbc2. I'm enjoying the contrast of long and close range fighting.

I haven't unlocked any weapons yet, but playing only with the original weapons the game is quite balanced - I don't like how unlocking new weapons actually gives you an upgrade, it should just be an alternate play style - it's less of a 'flare gun or shotgun', more of a 'bonesaw or ubersaw' choice. I don't see why the medic should have to unlock the defibrillator.

With the first sniper rifle, that needs two shots to kill, I don't mind snipers, cos if someone is shot the first time they have the opportunity to dive to the ground, which could save them, meaning snipers can kill people only when they're either working with their teammates, getting a headshot, or catching people when they're exposed. It still fires quickly, so snipers aren't useless, but I think they should shy away from insta kills.

I like how pistols are actually useful, as well, and I like the vaulting.

Oh, and engineers aren't much use in a non vehicle map, which sucks.

[gamemaster1996]

I hate the web browser thing and I feel as if the game is overhyped.

Alot of the game is too easy for instance first time I played it I managed a triple noscope headshot.
The teams and maps are unbalanced alot as said beofre its either a complete foolprrof win or a complete fail.

Also Didn't I already have Americas Army 3? :P

[Seba]

I actually don't mind Battlelog. It's faster than BC2's server browser, although it occasionally shows empty spots in a full server. It's a pretty cool feature, but with no in-game menu, the game feels like a f2p game or something. I'd prefer a straight-up game menu like in BF2.

[Hanz]

This game really is alright. I don't know why so much of you guys hate it. Yes it has a lot of bugs atm but those are just bugs and will be fixed in the full game. And after you play a few minutes it really starts to go better, unless you ragequit before that. :P

[Godslayer57]

Intresting Fact : ou can download the special driver VIA the HOME PAGE on the Battlelog.

[Micnax]

I have the exact same card but Nvidia's site is only giving me the 280.26 version of the driver, not the 285.27 version that BF3 is asking for. The result is that it's so glitchy and laggy that I just can't play. :/

Protip: http://www.geforce.com/Drivers/Beta

BE ADVISED - THE GAME
Also, I hate the goddamn browser server thing, it's a goddamn pain. WHY NOT JUST DO A SERVER BROWSER, OR AT LEAST PUT THE WEBPAGE IN THE GAME? :thumbdown:

[Trotim]

Yes it has a lot of bugs atm but those are just bugs and will be fixed in the full game.

well yeah I guess they're not valve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAkbh2l7jz0
best gameplay vid

[Psy]

I haven't played it since Friday, even then it was only for an hour. Didn't think much of it. /meh

[umbratile]

The way EA is handling the game (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/03/using-hacked-bf3-servers-banhammer/#more-76122) now, it seems like they don't want anyone to buy it. Well, maybe DICE is partly responsible for some of the weird design choices too, but I'm generally inclined to blame EA for everything considering their "evil publisher" repuation. I'm certainly staying the hell away, and I'll just be hoping they don't thoroughly fuck up Mass Effect 3 too when that time comes...

[Lancey]

Yeah Dota 2 is pretty fun.

[Micnax]

Also, best tip for winning, bind your flashlight key to your fire button.

Metro underground rave!

[owly-oop]

Here are the things I really hate from playing caspian border for awhile

1. Kill cam. I don't want to look at the enemy who killed me at some stupid odd angle, I want to watch my squad or teammates. It's stupid how the game always lets you know more about what the enemy is doing than your teammates. Why did they make it so you can't go through any options while you're dead? All of the menus better be accessible regardless of if you're alive or dead

2. The whole map looks desaturated and the shadows are too damn dark. Shadows are not super-crisp and pitch black everywhere in real life. It makes it hard to see enemies anywhere near foliage if you're not on the highest enemies. Plus the shadows are butt ugly, especially indoors where it's practically pitch black inside.

3. I hope it's a bug, but I remembering this happening in bad company 2 so I bet it's some pseudo-feature poop. I don't hear gunshots from other people half of the time. In firefights I only hear my gunshots and not the enemy's, unless if they are really close. When I do hear them, they are not load at all. The bullet casings or whatever they are falling from the gun and making "dings" are louder than them. Sorry, I'm not a gun-nut

4. 6-man squads are superior to 4 man squads.

5. The map radar is really bad, i doesn't really resemble anything. It looks like someone scribble shades of blue. Pressing M doesn't show the whole map, it only enlarges what you can see on the radar, which only shows a tiny square of the entire level because it's useless and really zoomed in a bunch.

6. Needs more helicopters

7. Why did people get their panties in a bunch from a single preorder weapon and not the map pack? LETS SPLIT THE COMMUNITY ON DAY 1, GENIUS


Some f this stuff could be fixed by modding. Oh wait!

The beta pretty much because unplayable overnight. It constantly stutters and freezes, not to mention it is one of the ugliest games ever on low settings

[REEJ]

I hate how unbalanced every game is, at least for me. Every single round is either a roll through all four stages in less than five minutes, or the attackers are held up at spawn in the first area.

^ that is exactly how ALL the Battlefield multiplayer games look like ^
The hype is measured in graphics, not fun.

[Micnax]

If any of you guys have tried the jets yet too, you'll realize that the controls are terrible and that you can't fire missiles.

You know why?

You have to UNLOCK MISSILES, which means impossibly killing other people with the machine gun, just to level up for something useful.

Yes, it's horrible,

[Trotim]

haha gee why is everyone whining so much, you sound like me

[Seba]

We ARE you, Trotim.

REEJ: wrong. Most BF2 and 2142 games were somewhat balanced. Even if a team capped the back points of a map (Karkand, Gibraltar, etc) the defenders still had a chance at gaining them back. It took a well-coordinated team to properly secure and hold (or a team full of morons to lose) points in three minutes.

In other news, Caspian is fun. I can't kill shit with the Stinger/IGLA, but it's somewhat fun. Short range though, but I guess that's for balance purposes. Choppers and mobile AA are useless, probably due to people not knowing how to fly the former properly and that the latter is NOT an anti-infantry tank. Points are actually fun to play on (maybe besides Forest, I don't like it) and Hilltop is fucking awesome.

[Crash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hRBL7zx1J8

[HellJumper]

haha gee why is everyone whining so much, you sound like me

I imagine that I would be complaining too, but I didn't download the beta (nor do I intend to buy the game when it's released).

[Fr0Z3n]

For all those who don't read fine print: You miiiight want to just make sure you are okay with this (http://yogiverse.com/showthread.php?34345-PSA-EA-Origin&p=417004&viewfull=1#post417004)

[grazr]

Well i was 50/50 on getting this game, i guess i wont now. The trouble is maybe if we could demonstrate the amount of lost revenue on their part, by boycotters, they might listen. But it seems companies are more and more aware of how EULA's can force people into situations where they have to give more than just 40 quid/60 bucks for a game in the form of personal data; and the worst part is unless you're a PC gamer you probably wont be that aware about it.

[Trotim]

...so it's Steam?

[yyler]

A lot of people talking about BF3 while playing TF2 talk about Origin. It's frightening how few of them care. I guess some of them are 15-16, but that's actually more worrying.

Kids aren't being educated to give a shit because the people old enough to educate them can't use computers! Fantastic.

Here's hoping Origin dies steaming in its own shit at the bottom of a deep, deep hole.

...so it's Steam?

Read the fucking post Trotim I am so sick of your base level ignorance and trolling christ

[grazr]

...so it's Steam?

TL;DR

You can opt for Steam to not collect personal data. Origin does not give that option.

[gamemaster1996]

TL;DR

You can opt for Steam to not collect personal data. Origin does not give that option.

Also Origins ******ketchup*****ina******sandwhich. Whereas steam is not

[Trotim]

TL;DR

You can opt for Steam to not collect personal data. Origin does not give that option.

okay I honestly never read either agreement and doubt more than 1% of people do, but what you're saying is that steam also collects personal data and you need to explicitly tell it not to for them to stop...? so how is that done and what do they collect otherwise, because that doesn't sound much better to me

Steam
you expressly grant Valve the complete and irrevocable right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and perform the User Generated Information and derivative works thereof in any form, anywhere, with or without attribution to you, and without any notice or compensation to you of any kind.

Origin
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.

yeah that actually does sound worse, but I can't see many people who want to play the game not getting origin anyway. invading your privacy is a definite trend and if anything I can see steam upgrade its service to do that too

it's not a lot worse though, I mean steam definitely collects hardware information, applications and all too. what's the actual difference. they're not collecting personal data, they are saying they may use the data origin collects in combination with personal data they may or may not already have

back when Steam just started getting popular posts about privacy concerns popped up everywhere as well e.g. http://www.inis.net/?postid=46. automatically completely damning origin is what a handful hipster nerds will do just because they don't want any game that's on origin yet

[yyler]

Valve's thing basically amounts to taking my screenshots or something and being able to use it. Or my user reviews. Who gives a shit?

EA's extends to being able to know where you live, what computer you have, how everything operates, what files you have on your computer, what programs you use, and what you install or uninstall. They probably install a rootkit to be able to do this. Then they will market to you based on this. Then they will sell this info to 3rd parties without telling you. And you can't sue them. They make that clear.

[Trotim]

you sound awfully biased, and by the way

http://yogiverse.com/showthread.php?34345-PSA-EA-Origin&p=417195&viewfull=1#post417195
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6331203.html

so it IS steam. it also bears repeating eulas don't change the law so you can obviously sue them for breaking privacy laws if they ever did so anyway

I don't think origin is a good thing and I don't think steam is a good thing, by the way. hating ea is fine and I don't like origin either but steam (valve) is not some shining beacon of privacy rights

also also, if you ever bought something in the ea store it will automatically be transferred to origin so they have a lot of customers that are in fact forced to use the new service. ea would be a special kind of retarded to go and upset these... strangely enough though most people just say "I won't get origin now" and I suspect they never wanted to in the first place so whatever

[grazr]

okay I honestly never read either agreement and doubt more than 1% of people do, but what you're saying is that steam also collects personal data and you need to explicitly tell it not to for them to stop...? so how is that done and what do they collect otherwise, because that doesn't sound much better to me.

When you install it. Which, for many of us was probably years ago--when ever the last time you upgraded your hardware was.

Steam was pretty shit when it came out, i think we all had our issues. It was buggy as hell, had no networking capacity and Valve had no hands in becoming a distributer of indie games; it wasn't in that market at the time. I probably installed it (again) about a year ago and i remember it only asking for details regarding my system specs.

There has been other software platforms like Steam like Games for Windows Live; which incidently was a pile of arse discharge. Many publishers like Relic have moved over to Steam, from GfWL, because of the superior service it provides and i think this is the key issue here.

Origin may be a front runner for a competitor against Steam, but its execution seems entirely selfish. It will distribute EA titles and run EA titles and take what ever information from you it wants and without asking. Valve has always supported the online and gaming industry as a whole and a lot of the stick Steam gets is simply envy over its success. The information it takes is at your concent and not nearly as private or intrusive.

Since this is not the first time EA has had issues with EULA's i'm not surprised people have their pitch forks out and torches lit. This is a company which has a history of taking liberties. Just look at Spore and the DRM "scandal"; which ironicly was supposed to prevent pirating but made it the most pirated game in history only 2 days after its initial release.

[Trotim]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113970-EA-Germany-Origin-Is-Not-Spyware

[YM]

For me it boils down to this: I have a huge library of games on steam, until origin has more than one game I want that's exclusive I won't get it, I'm not signing up for a hundred different services for one game to be on each.

BF3 never ever interested me, I'm pretty sure ME3 confirmed it will be on steam, and the old republic was tempting but then I woke up and realised I'd never be moronic enough to pay a hefty subscription for a game.

I don't know the specifics of the EULA but I know that EA are like many other game publishers and frankly retarded with their DRM, so I know that EA will almost certainly pull some stupid crap if I buy a game off origin, I'm expecting some nonsense like the assassins creed BS; if it doesn't happen at the start, it will in time. Which makes me reeeeaaally hesitant to even consider origin.

soooooooo yeah, no origin for me in the foreseeable future.

Also LMFAO at how origin has a tab at the top for each game. (on a more serious note, where the hell IS the link to their catalogue pages :/)

[gamemaster1996]

I'm pretty sure ME3 confirmed it will be on steam

Umm... what?
To be honest YM I'm fine with one of you, I really dont want two more.