A classless Update! Day 1: 18 New Hats! New Community Map! [Archive]

drp

08-11-2009, 04:46 PM

An update. With no classes.

From Valve's Blog:

Throughout history, men have worn hats as a way of showing how much better they are than other men. “I buy hats,” a behatted man seems to say. “I am better than you.”

In wartime, hats were a useful way of conferring rank, and ensuring that casualties were confined to the lower classes (hence the famous command of “Don't fire till you see the tops of their heads” at the Battle of Bunker Hill by William Prescott, a general renowned for only shooting enemy combatants who were poor). During peacetime, hats have been instrumental for men to let the non-hatted know just who is wearing the hat around here.

And that’s the entire history of hats. The history you were spoon fed at school, that is, in your government-run hat class. But here’s a little truth bomb your teachers, pastors and ombudsmen of your regional newspapers DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW: Team Fortress now has MORE hats. We hope this didn’t blow your mind out of the top of your head, since you’ll need a place put all these cool new hats.

Arena Offblast:

Arena Offblast is a fast-paced, high-altitude community map set in a top secret missile silo wedged into the top of a hollowed-out mountain. Open-air paths and narrow hallways converge on a central control point located just under the silo’s blast doors.

This mountaintop arena also boasts a sheer cliff face encircling the battleground, giving you the chance to help your opponents improve their tactics. Specifically, anyone you blast over the side will get some time to think about the various flaws in their “standing next to the edge of a cliff” strategy as they plummet to an excruciating, non-respawnable death.

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/

Hidden Pages:
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/hats/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/advertisement/
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/enigmatical/

Dr. Spud

08-11-2009, 04:52 PM

Let's hope day two is:

"Idling no longer unlocks items!

Now when a player owns a hat, don't assume they're some dumb kid with a huge energy bill!"

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 04:52 PM

This update may not have classes, but those hats have class.

Psy

08-11-2009, 04:57 PM

The tophats; They're spreading.

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 04:59 PM

Yeah, ZPQ's old avatar is on that page.

Waif

08-11-2009, 05:01 PM

Yet another un-needed arena map :P

MangyCarface

08-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Congrats to the maker of offblast!

...Anyone seen him?

Okrag

08-11-2009, 05:02 PM

And I already made a spray/avatar out of the two behatted me of discerning taste on the page.

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 05:02 PM

No, but if Valve keeps it up, this update will include good community maps for once.

Psy

08-11-2009, 05:03 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/hats/

Don

08-11-2009, 05:04 PM

The tophats; They're spreading.

Arenas; Even MORE!

Psy

08-11-2009, 05:06 PM

Oh, check out the HTML of the hidden hat page. The 'Mann' section of the text has been seperated. :O

Psy

08-11-2009, 05:08 PM

HAT FIGHT! (http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/)

Icarus

08-11-2009, 05:13 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/enigmatical/

Icarus

08-11-2009, 05:14 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/advertisement/

Psy

08-11-2009, 05:18 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/advertisement/Productive_Member_Of_Society.jpg

:O

JoshuaC

08-11-2009, 05:18 PM

Aren't those hat models from the community?

Wonder if one day they'll start charging for apparel items on TF2 characters.

Splocket

08-11-2009, 05:40 PM

I'm loving all the new hats, specially the soldier's barbaric helmet heh.

Shadow Monkey

08-11-2009, 05:41 PM

Wow! Valve didn't forgot TF2! But awesome hidden sites :D

Fearlezz

08-11-2009, 05:42 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/
This might mean that you can take others hat? Doesn't really make sense but thats all I can get out of that.

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/advertisement/
Trading, mixing weapons of the same kind creating a higher level one? Also breaking weapons into two?

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/enigmatical/
Says a lot about healing/disease weapons. Maybe the soldier's getting the virus the medic had in TFC?

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/hats/
Request hats might be a option?

Micnax

08-11-2009, 05:45 PM

Here comes a secret class update...

tovilovan

08-11-2009, 06:15 PM

The spy will backstab the classless update and there will be only a new skin for the cigarrette case. Sorry guys.

Honestly, this made me multiplejizz for an hour. If there are three-four more days of non-oneclass content that will make a HUGE LOT of content, especially maps. This makes me want an avatar with a cylinder hat.

Micnax

08-11-2009, 06:20 PM

Hawk

08-11-2009, 06:24 PM

I'm excited for the possibility of a good non-arena map in the coming days.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 06:35 PM

Are they planning to list the hats? Maybe fill it out tomorrow like they would with achievement descriptions?

Aly

08-11-2009, 06:49 PM

New general achivements would be cool.

I wonder if anyone from here will get their maps in...

Ganonmaster

08-11-2009, 06:54 PM

I haven't even got my first hat and they're already adding new ones? D:

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 06:58 PM

Oh and did anyone screen grab the advertisement page? I think it's borked.

eyefork

08-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Oh and did anyone screen grab the advertisement page? I think it's borked.

Make sure you disable Adblock Plus or view the page in another browser (assuming you use Firefox). Otherwise it just shows up as a blank black page.

edit-
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4561/tf2ad.jpg

Don

08-11-2009, 07:18 PM

Wait, non-class?

Omg, Swiftwater, Push-CTF, KOTH, CASHWORKS (Release a final now eerione, it's your chance)! :wow:

Shmitz

08-11-2009, 07:24 PM

Why IS THE SPY WEARING MY HAT AUGH!

Evang7

08-11-2009, 07:26 PM

I always really enjoyed Offblast, but none of the servers I play on ever have it. Thanks, Valve!

I can't wait to see all the new hats. I have the Fedora and the Trophy Belt but I'm not really a fan of either of them. :U All these mysterious and cryptic pages pique my interests as well.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 07:29 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/enigmatical/

...Balloon Race? :U

Evang7

08-11-2009, 07:36 PM

Also, my take of the hidden pages is that Valve might integrate the unused Melee Dare voiceclips into some sort of hat-gambling mode.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 08:09 PM

"The 18 new hats? Most were suggested by people here on the forums."

Exactly, how dare you listen to community suggestions Valve, you scum!

(Wait, it get's better.)

"And valve will take credit for it and idiots will praise them for their creativity over the creation of the hats."

That's right folks, Valve won't acknowledge the genius that is the Steam Forums, the Michelangelos of our generation. How dare they not flag down and credit every single one of the hundreds of people who suggested a fireman hat?

Sgt.Sausage

08-11-2009, 08:21 PM

Wait, non-class?

Omg, Swiftwater, Push-CTF, KOTH, CASHWORKS (Release a final now eerione, it's your chance)! :wow:

its not like if he releases final today that it would be in the update

JoshuaC

08-11-2009, 08:47 PM

"The 18 new hats? Most were suggested by people here on the forums." (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936180)

Exactly, how dare you listen to community suggestions Valve, you scum!

(Wait, it get's better.)

"And valve will take credit for it and idiots will praise them for their creativity over the creation of the hats."

That's right folks, Valve won't acknowledge the genius that is the Steam Forums, the Michelangelos of our generation. How dare they not flag down and credit every single one of the hundreds of people who suggested a fireman hat?

I'm pretty sure someone else actually made atleast the heavy hat. If they did I'm sure they were paid handsomely for it.

Acegikmo

08-11-2009, 08:47 PM

Congrats to the maker of offblast!

...Anyone seen him?

Yeah; did they forget to put his name there or did they hire him?

JoshuaC

08-11-2009, 08:52 PM

Yeah; did they forget to put his name there or did they hire him?

Maybe he requested his name to not be put up?

Icarus

08-11-2009, 08:54 PM

I guess valve assumes that if they don't put COMMUNITY MAP on the page, then people would at least try playing it before immediately dismissing it as bad.

I know some people who haven't even played Hoodoo because it's a community map, and thus, sucks.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm pretty sure someone else actually made atleast the heavy hat. If they did I'm sure they were paid handsomely for it.

They made a hat mod for turning the football helmet into an unshanka. It was just a mod and a really obvious idea that had tons of people begging for it and I think it became the first custom hat model, or one of the first anyway.

So the point is it was so so obvious.

Plus Valve has the rights to all ideas posted in Steam forums. And people cry anyway, even though their idea was put to better use than they were using it for. Plus I doubt Valve would pay anyone for a common Russian hat. If it were something obscure and original, they would just brainstorm another hat. Plus original hats don't really seem to belong in TF2 from what we've seen.

Jazz

08-11-2009, 09:06 PM

Well this is just great, more hats for me to not get!

A Boojum Snark

08-11-2009, 09:22 PM

/me now has a new title

grazr

08-11-2009, 09:24 PM

Yea, i've logged a rediculous 120 odd + hours since the hat update and i only got the spy hat. I don't even play that class, Pah!

I do find it ironic that they are releasing more hats when most people i know, barely managed to pick up 1. But i guess i can't judge it solely on the people i know :/

Also. I would have thought Valve would have fixed the damn shadows on those rocks before releasing that map. It's horrible, in your face laziness, on both parties efferts.

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 09:26 PM

/me now has a new title

How dareth thee pretendeth to be me!

grazr

08-11-2009, 09:34 PM

I do believe, gentlmenne, i posess the greater number of hats.

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 09:47 PM

I do believe, gentlmenne, i posess the greater number of hats.

While this is indeed the truth, I do come close second if I might say so myself.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 09:50 PM

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 09:56 PM

More hats means more chances to get hats.

No, it just means more hats for the Steam Cloud to choose from when it gives you a hat.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-11-2009, 10:11 PM

No, it just means more hats for the Steam Cloud to choose from when it gives you a hat.

Well we're not sure how it's going to work. The way they work now is it randomly selects an item out of all the available ones. Hats have a smaller chance. However, AFAIK they're all individually in there, it doesn't first pick "hat" then pick which one. Therefore unless they lower the number for all of them, there will be more, so if you had a 1/100 chance of getting a hat every two hours it would now be 3/100 because the number of hat choices tripled. They could have made the existing hats one third less likely and all the new ones the same amount, but I think right now they're trying to compensate for those with no hat, and have just one hat isn't as great an achievement this way because before you had 1/9, now you have 1/27. But if you have at least one hat you'll be more satisfied than you are now.

But there's many directions they could go with this. Maybe a three tier system of common hat, medium hat and rare hat. Who knows.

Shmitz

08-11-2009, 10:12 PM

I do believe, gentlmenne, i posess the greater number of hats.

Behold your error:

http://www.horizonscape.com/shmitz/hatstacked01.jpg

If one makes careful observation, one may note a quantity of thirteen hats resting atop my crown.

Do not try me in this. I can go higher (http://www.horizonscape.com/shmitz/hatpile.jpg), if I must.

Nineaxis

08-11-2009, 10:16 PM

Do not try me in this. I can go higher (http://www.horizonscape.com/shmitz/hatpile.jpg), if I must.

You must go higher!

A Boojum Snark

08-11-2009, 10:22 PM

I believe tomorrow I shall dig out mine hat of grandness. It requires goode daylight to be photographed. It is so large and fancy I keep it in a plastic garbage bag to keep it clean when not in use.

I may not have the number, but I have the fancy!

Swamp-Bog Mcgee

08-11-2009, 10:38 PM

Far out! These updates are eager to hear. Some of the boys and I have a wager about which class was suppose to get the next update out of the three remaining classes. Looks so far like we've all lost the game.

grazr

08-11-2009, 10:39 PM

Behold your error:

http://www.horizonscape.com/shmitz/hatstacked01.jpg

If one makes careful observation, one may note a quantity of thirteen hats resting atop my crown.

Do not try me in this. I can go higher (http://www.horizonscape.com/shmitz/hatpile.jpg), if I must.

Oh my god, whilst that is utter pwnage. I do smell the wiffy musk of a challange, sir!

I must go and acquire more headware based accessories! Then return when this meme is no longer amusing! To win a challenge no one will any longer care about! And subsequently increase my e-penis size by +1.

On second thought, lets not go to Camelot, it is a silly place.

Aly

08-11-2009, 11:10 PM

Well done sir. That is indeed a lot of hats.

Penguin

08-11-2009, 11:13 PM

Alas, I have maney hats also but did not bringe them.

:(

uma plata

08-12-2009, 12:07 AM

If you can't get a hat by killing someone with a hat after this update, Valve will have failed all of us

Mexican Apple Thief

08-12-2009, 12:10 AM

If you can't get a hat by killing someone with a hat after this update, Valve will have failed all of us
Hats would be so boring then.

Though some speculate you can wager hats on matches.

Also

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/AAOMGiZL/IMG_5360.jpg

40.

They may not be your fancy Ivy league hats, but they're honest and good working.

Shmitz

08-12-2009, 12:47 AM

I never have and never will consider baseball caps to be proper hats. In fact, their prevalence in my youth is what inspired me to begin collecting the authentic sort. ;)

A worn hat is a representation of who you are. I daresay if your inner soul is nothing more than a preference for one sports team or another, I should consider you a rather dull person. But since such a notion is absurd, and your life obviously full of many other nuances, I cannot consider the message of a baseball cap an honest one, as you so put forth. :P

Penguin

08-12-2009, 12:52 AM

Furthermore, a true Gentle Manne is full of the learn'd manne's insighte regarding how to raise his hats without requiring use of his handes.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-12-2009, 01:44 AM

Furthermore, a true Gentle Manne is full of the learn'd manne's insighte regarding how to raise his hats without requiring use of his handes.

True, but that was but the quantity. If it's quality you desire...

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/AAOMGiZL/IMG_5356.jpg

I don't think the prevalence of baseball caps is a personal affliction, but merely a regional side effect. In my oasis in the corn desert, a proper hat is hard to be found, whereas the baseball cap is handed out as advertising. In fact, most of these hats were obtained for free and have been unused in a closet until this day!D:

The Political Gamer

08-12-2009, 01:58 AM

fffffffffffffffffffffffff So much for my soldier update hunch! I-D You lied to us! (Or at least I think because knowing valve they will pull a fast one)

eerieone

08-12-2009, 02:06 AM

@LEAD FARMER: now try to also put on all the sunglasses i see hanging in the background :P

Engineer

08-12-2009, 02:11 AM

OMFG
A new update, thak you VALVe, i love you!
New hats, maps :)

BTW I think that trading system will be included.
You'll need a place to put all these new hats
^Maybe some backpack modifications^

zpqrei

08-12-2009, 03:19 AM

Please note that Eric Smith has indeed told me, gentlemen, that those of a top-hat-forum-wearing position, will have the CTF ATTK/DEF HUD by the end of the update. Dear fellow.

No. I do wonder what could be tomorrow ;)

Waif

08-12-2009, 03:48 AM

Gaw

08-12-2009, 03:57 AM

Anyone have a list of the hats, or too soon?

Cameron:D

08-12-2009, 04:02 AM

A tophat for everyone!

Engineer

08-12-2009, 04:03 AM

A tophat for everyone!

What he said^

Radaka

08-12-2009, 04:50 AM

I desire to have over 9000 top hats resting atop my head at once.

I desire to have a pile of hats so large that Mt. Everest PALES by comparison...

Rikka

08-12-2009, 07:09 AM

Gaw

08-12-2009, 07:17 AM

When are the hats actually be added? What is this? I dont even-

Angry_Ed

08-12-2009, 08:25 AM

When are the hats actually be added?

They'll probably be added after the last news bit regarding the classless update hits.

PMAvers

08-12-2009, 08:55 AM

I'm assuming this update's going to be the one that adds the A/D CTF HUD. (EDIT: Oh, hey, maybe I should fully read the threads. :3 )

The whole "server auto-recording demos thing and the clients can request them" thing would be gravy as well.

Mexican Apple Thief

08-12-2009, 09:05 AM

You can continue to be entranced by the lies of the unsophisticated, preaching the nonsense of multiple hats of poor quality. Those with dignity need only one proud, expensive hat sitting atop their head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_revolution

This is how multiple poor hats do against a few crowns. Not bad in my opinion.

Just sayin'.

Smashman

08-12-2009, 09:41 AM

I've got this here list.
It's not official, but it looks damn awesome.

"TF_Engineer_Cowboy_Hat" "Texas Ten Gallon"
"TF_Engineer_Train_Hat" "Engineer's Cap"
"TF_Heavy_Ushanka_Hat" "Officer's Ushanka"
"TF_Heavy_Stocking_cap" "Tough Guy's Tuque"
"TF_Soldier_Pot_Hat" "Stainless Pot"
"TF_Soldier_Viking_Hat" "Tyrant's Helm"
"TF_Demo_Scott_Hat" "Glengarry Bonnet"
"TF_Medic_Tyrolean_Hat" "Vintage Tyrolean"
"TF_Pyro_Chicken_Hat" "Respectless Rubber Glove"
"TF_Spy_Camera_Beard" "Camera Beard"
"TF_Medic_Mirror_Hat" "Otolaryngologist's Mirror"
"TF_Pyro_Fireman_Helmet" "Brigade Helm"
"TF_Scout_Bonk_Helmet" "Bonk Helm"
"TF_Scout_Newsboy_Cap" "Ye Olde Baker Boy"
"TF_Spy_Derby_Hat" "Backbiter's Billycock"
"TF_Sniper_Straw_Hat" "Professional's Panama"
"TF_Sniper_Jarate_Headband" "Master's Yellow Belt"
"TF_Hatless_Scout" "Baseball Bill's Sports Shine"
"TF_Hatless_Sniper" "Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative"
"TF_Hatless_Engineer" "Texas Slim's Dome Shine"
"TF_Demo_Top_Hat" "Scottsman's Stove Pipe"

Hatless ftw!

Gaw

08-12-2009, 09:52 AM

Jack Riguel

08-12-2009, 01:17 PM

http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/
This might mean that you can take others hat? Doesn't really make sense but thats all I can get out of that.

I do beilve that you won't need to worry about loseing your hat my good man, or at least if you don't wish too.

Let me be brief: For those of you who remember, deep withen the vast caves of the Tf2.gcf contains the strange and mysterious voice files of the announcer's "last man standing" and serveral classes "melee dares." In connection with these, as well as this "barbary" page and the "advertisement" pages line: "For the parent with a gambler's heart- ask us about our life insurence policies."

This could mean one of two things: the last two men in an arena map will be forced to "duel to the death" with the spectating players gambling on who will win the match, or a dominated player can chose to melee duel the dominator. I'd like to see the second one personaly.

Oh, and also:
http://www.slobodkina.com/images/for%20Childrens%20Library/CAPSFOR%20SALE_4.gif
Curse those monkeys.

notalbanian

08-12-2009, 01:24 PM

I desire to have over 9000 top hats resting atop my head at once.

I desire to have a pile of hats so large that Mt. Everest PALES by comparison...

I'll see your Mt. Everest and raise you Mauna Kea. I want a pile of hats so high that if it falls down it'll crit on everyone nearby.

A Boojum Snark

08-12-2009, 02:35 PM

I arrive with minne hat of wonder. You may clicke on it fore a more detaile gaze.
Unfortunately I do not yet have the suit with which it should go.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/98931/pictures/sombrero-small.jpg (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/98931/pictures/sombrero.jpg)

(I feel a new avatar coming... )

Dr. ROCKZO

08-12-2009, 02:39 PM

Please sir, May I have one of your hats?

Nineaxis

08-12-2009, 02:39 PM

(I feel a new avatar coming... )

Darn, I will have to reapply my disguise!

DrHaphazard

08-12-2009, 02:46 PM

Not to ruin everyone's fun, but disguised spies dont get hats do they? Won't this eventually be a dead give away? Or at least a big hint?

Also my avatar is small now, this makes me sad.

Nineaxis

08-12-2009, 03:09 PM

Not to ruin everyone's fun, but disguised spies dont get hats do they? Won't this eventually be a dead give away? Or at least a big hint?

Also my avatar is small now, this makes me sad.

The loadout of the person a spy is disguised as is applied to the spy's disguise.

Jack Riguel

08-12-2009, 03:20 PM

The loadout of the person a spy is disguised as is applied to the spy's disguise.

Unless it's changed in the last day, this still doesn't include the hat. I've ubersawed myself plenty of times since my clone seems to have forgotten the pointy hat.

PMAvers

08-12-2009, 03:52 PM

YouTube - TF2 - Scouts are Jerks

Roflman

08-12-2009, 04:34 PM

KOTH! :D
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/

Btw, this is my first post.... :D

Mexican Apple Thief

08-12-2009, 04:41 PM

KOTH! :D
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/

Btw, this is my first post.... :D

Thanks for using it to beat me to the first post. :(

08-12-2009, 04:43 PM

I was just about to post too. :(

Psy

08-12-2009, 04:46 PM

This might just inspire me to revisit Lighthouse and expand it so it works for 12 v 12.

uma plata

08-12-2009, 04:52 PM

I do believe Valve bandwagonned on Ace's snow textures...for shame!

KOTH should be fun, and should effectively double the value of everyone's Arena maps

DrHaphazard

08-13-2009, 12:31 AM

I do believe Valve bandwagonned on Ace's snow textures...for shame!

KOTH should be fun, and should effectively double the value of everyone's Arena maps

Heh, well good ideas have to come from somewhere!

I was really hoping that pl_waste was going to be featured as a new gamestyle. KOTH is ok i guess, i dunno though since i have not really played koth for any serious length of time in tf2.

BTW in koth do you have to hold the point for a certain length of time, or is it just like a really long cap in order to make it hard to achieve? If its the former maybe we get some new hud elements to display that?

Oh also, im fairly certain that spies do not receive hats, but I could be wrong. Also i hope the medic gets a cool hat since im not a great fan of the prussian one (although i suppose id wear it if it ever friggin dropped.)

Delusibeta

08-13-2009, 06:27 AM

Heh, well good ideas have to come from somewhere!

I was really hoping that pl_waste was going to be featured as a new gamestyle. KOTH is ok i guess, i dunno though since i have not really played koth for any serious length of time in tf2.

BTW in koth do you have to hold the point for a certain length of time, or is it just like a really long cap in order to make it hard to achieve? If its the former maybe we get some new hud elements to display that? (1)

Oh also, im fairly certain that spies do not receive hats, but I could be wrong. (2) Also i hope the medic gets a cool hat since im not a great fan of the prussian one (although i suppose id wear it if it ever friggin dropped.)
(1) KotH in TF2 actually requires you to cap a point with a short cap time to start your team's clock. If the other team caps the point, your team's clock stops and their clock starts, and you have to re-capture the point to resume your team's clock's march towards zero. First team's clock to hit zero wins the round. New HUD elements is highly likely.

(2) You're wrong.

notalbanian

08-13-2009, 08:50 AM

The Prussian hat is pretty cool. But I want it to impale people that try to jump on me.

Sgt Frag

08-13-2009, 10:56 AM

I do believe Valve bandwagonned on Ace's snow textures...for shame!

KOTH should be fun, and should effectively double the value of everyone's Arena maps

to an extent. I was looking at converting my 2 arena maps to koth but I don't know. Medieval might be workable, I just have to figure out a safe spot for spawns. I don't think Hoover is gonna work because of the layout.
Lighthouse was a great conversion because the layout is really spread out and there are many paths to both sides/all around the point.

Sgt Frag

08-13-2009, 11:10 AM

This might just inspire me to revisit Lighthouse and expand it so it works for 12 v 12.

What do you mean, we play it on cC quite a bit (OK, ususally less than 24) but I do think we play with that many players and it's fine. Don't change it!

Jack Riguel

08-13-2009, 12:29 PM

(2) You're wrong.(1)

(1.) You're wrong.

Like I said, unless TF2 has been fixed in the last few days, spies still do not wear the hats of the people they are cloaked as. Like I said, as playing medic with my Prussian pickelhaube and I would consistently call out the spy who was me that did not have my hat, the same happened when I played as sniper and I'd see the spy as me without the trophy belt.

Edit: I also want this for my third spy hat:
http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/7/7f/02_spy_hat.jpg