Remaking this thread as I thought there was interesting things brought up in this thread and it was lost in the forum rollback
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Originally Posted by
Zee
Has anyone figured out how valve made it? Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched everywhere but couldn't find any info on it other then
this, but it doesn't explain much.
I understand how they made the brushes, then converted it into displacements, but I cant get the subdivide to look anything like it does in hydro. I never knew how complicated it was. My only guess is they may have used brushes to help shape the subdivided and then deleted them.
I just think finding out how would be a good learning experience for pretty much everyone.
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Originally Posted by
yyler
Randdalf: how did you make the hydro dish?
iikka: hydro dish - with great skill and patience
I know that with Nucleus, iikka used guideline brushes and deleted those. That's probably your best option. I'm not even actually sure how I would go about subdividing to create that shape honestly.
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Originally Posted by
Sergis
its magic
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Originally Posted by
grazr
Your problem is that you're subdividing. You don't subdivide to create something like this.
Also, as Yyler said, it's always good to place a couple reference/guide brushes during "construction" of complicated yet symmetrical displacements.
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Originally Posted by
Idolon
I've managed to something kinda like he did, here's how:
1) Create an arch. You can use whatever values you'd like, but I used 120 degrees (with 30 degree offset). Resize it however you'd like, and rotate it so it faces upwards. It should look kinda like this:
2) Make 3 copies of this arch and place them at 45 degree angles. I've found that it helps to surround the arch in a skip brush before copying it. To get a brush at a 45 degree angle, just eyeball it. Use the x at the center of the brush to help. The end result should look like this:
You can stop here, but you can go further to split it up nicely.
3) Rotate the whole thing 22.5 degrees. The intersection points of the arches should lie on the lines of the grid. Then, clip along the two grid lines that hit the center. An individual arch should look like this:
4) Cut again on the 45 degree lines. Each piece should look like this:
5) Ungroup each arch and trim the fat. It should look like this when you're finished:
Here's a .vmf of the result above.
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Originally Posted by
yyler
Yeah. Or...
- Hold SHIFT while rotating to automatically snap to 15 degree increments
- Enable the preference to rotate by 15 degrees by default in the options menu (thus making holding shift to be a free rotate)
- Hit Ctrl+M and put 45 into the Z axis box
Why be imprecise? This means your 22.5 degree rotation comes out a lot nicer, too.
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Originally Posted by
yyler
Also I find it is best not to resize cylinders and arches. Make them the size you need them or the brushes get lumpy and (with cylinders scaled down) possibly invalid.
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Originally Posted by
Idolon
Rotation by eye is only as imprecise as you make it (I think Hammer goes by .5 increments when you do it by hand), but it's good to know there's an alternative!
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Originally Posted by
Wander
Now just replace blue by white and rename it to koth_umbrella_coorporation
(Reading this topic just after watching resident evil an hour ago)
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Originally Posted by
yyler
I would easily rotate one 46 degrees and another 44.5 and get pissed off at it when it doesn't align to grid. :v
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Originally Posted by
Ravidge
I rather do
using the arch tool and vertex tool. I turned it into displacements as well for no reason, but eh.
This way you can have a much rounder bowl without having to limit yourself to 45 degree angles and cutting.
edit: extra
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1281220/2012...7_20.25.23.png
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Originally Posted by
yyler
I think Idolon's method is better for a plain dish (fewer brushes), but Ravidge definitely wins for recreating the Hydro dish.
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Originally Posted by
Ravidge
Well, I just picked 24 sided arch because it looks nicer. You're free to use my method with 8 sided arches too, it's not a problem.
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Originally Posted by
yyler
Nope. I refuse.
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Originally Posted by
A Boojum Snark
When you are rotating an object the degrees are displayed in the status bar. There is absolutely zero guesstimating or eyeballing required.
Also I swear there was a thread about doing this displacement style...
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Originally Posted by
Blade Nd64
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Originally Posted by
A Boojum Snark
That's what he linked in the first post. I meant something else, actually showing how to do it.
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Originally Posted by
Blade Nd64
Whoops, my mistake. Two posts (one is yours) near the end of
this thread might be what you're thinking of. The images for them are no longer up, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by
theharribokid
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the thread Boojum was talking about Blade ND64. Shame the images are down
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Originally Posted by
grazr
Wait, the subdivide was used on the dish afterall? Well i'll be damned.
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Originally Posted by
Erilis
Have you considered making a model?
Not sure if that would be easier.
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Originally Posted by
Seba
Rexy would be the only one to thank that.
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Originally Posted by
Zee
I actually thought of making it a model, but i figured the collision mesh would be such a pain to create.
Thanks Ravidge and Idolon. Those are both good methods, and i gotta try them out. I've been fooling around my own that does what I think vavle did (well, not really but sort of). So I'll post that once I get it working 100%.
Edit: I also have a question for Ravidage, How did you tilt the arch, did you just use the vertex tool and lower the top vertices? Or is there an simpler way I'm missing, because that seems really time consuming lol.
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Originally Posted by
yyler
If I were to do it Rav's way, I would probably do a quarter of the full circle and then just copy it 4 times.
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Originally Posted by
Zee
That's what I was doing, but it seems the arch tool always makes the arches verts off grid. So it's still a bit of a pain.
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Originally Posted by
Ravidge
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Originally Posted by
grazr
It doesn't make them off the grid, but it does make them to the lowest grid setting if the arch is small enough to force it to do so.
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Originally Posted by
Boylee
That was boss Rav.
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Originally Posted by
Zee
Strange, I was on the lowest grid (grid 1 correct?) and it was still of grid, I'll check again to be sure.
Edit: Almost forgot, Big thanks Ravidge!
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Originally Posted by
YM
I just want to make sure everyone knows the aricebo (or however it's spelt, the golden eye dish) is supposed to be spherical not hyperbolic in shape like a conventional dish. This is because it's stationary and can't move so the focusing head above it moves to change where you're looking at in the sky.
Just bear that in mind when making your arches.
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Hydro's radar dish
