TF2 Item Whitelist

[Trotim]

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Originally Posted by grazr

The past few servers i've played on, dropping the sandvich wouldn't allow me to grab it for half health. So didn't it get nerfed? I only ask this because these were heavily modded servers (6 demo grenade launcher ammo for instance), i can't seem to find a vanilla EU server for the life of me since the Replay update.

Our/my old private server disabled picking up Sandvich for self-heal (it only refilled the Food meter so you could throw it again), yeah, which I feel balanced out Sandvich a lot.

[grazr]

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Originally Posted by Trotim

...Just listing unlocks doesn't help at all, the reasons are the big part here. I expected something like

Post #1: Well, Kritzkrieg because <> and also Ubersaw because <>, not sure about Blutsauger actually
Post #2: I agree with Kritz and Ubersaw (because <>) but the Blut should be in too because <>, additionally the Equalizer because <>
Post #3: I actually want to contest the Ubersaw because I don't see what it adds to the game...

Oh, and i missed this post, but if you ask for a white list then you get a bunch of lists.

That said, i'll reply with a more in depth response later. I didn't really wanna just throw a plain list down anyway, but it was hard not to just go "i like a lot, but the Black Box gets on my fucking tits".

I would agree that refilling your food meter makes the sannie more balanced. Because it's basically like carrying a medium health pack with you at all times and the 150 re-heal makes the chocolate bar +50 max health mostly redundant.

[Randdalf]

Scout: Bonk!

I use Bonk! almost exclusively, given the amount of A/D maps in which the scout is less useful.

Soldier: Equalizer, Black Box, Buff Banner, Gunboats

Equalizer is great for escapes; I like to use the Black Box now and again because there's a different playstyle there; Buff Banner is great fun to pull off; and Gunboats are just good for letting soldiers be more mobile.

Pyro: Axtinguisher, Attendant Set

Attendant set is probably the strongest community made set in the game (and art styliest!); and well, the Axtinguisher really completes the modern Pyro. I'm not a fan of the Flare Gun though.

Demo: Skullcutter

I like to use this over the bottle because it's better, for the sticky jumping demoman.

Heavy: GRUs, Sandvich

GRUs/Sandvich combo is my Heavy playstyle, use the GRUs to rush quickly between battle and use the Sandvich to support me and my medic.

Engie: Frontier Justice

Gunslinger is useless in my view, and the Wrangler is just annoying to play against. Frontier Justice is a neat mechanic though.

Medic: Kritzkrieg, Ubersaw, Blutsauger

The classic combo, what more is there to say. I'm tempted to throw the Amputator in there as well, but decided not to.

Sniper: Jarate, Bushwacka, Razorback

I use either Jarate or the Razorback, never use the SMG. I love the Jarate mechanic, it's probably one of my favourite weapons in the game, and when combined with the Bushwacka, it's lethal. The Razorback is good for when I just want to sit back and snipe, and have to worry less about spies.

Spy: Everything

I think every Spy weapon is nice and unique, and has a place in the game. The Spy's weapon pool is probably the best in the game, because of how the Spy can use them in combination. It's also fun to switch it around too. The Spy Update was definitely my favourite class update.

And there you have it.

[Trotim]

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Originally Posted by grazr

Oh, and i missed this post, but if you ask for a white list then you get a bunch of lists.

That said, i'll reply with a more in depth response later. I didn't really wanna just throw a plain list down anyway, but it was hard not to just go "i like a lot, but the Black Box gets on my fucking tits".

I guess that makes sense, sorry. I was thinking more along the lines of everyone collaborating to settle on ONE item whitelist everyone can at least mostly agree with.

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Originally Posted by Randdalf

I like to use the Black Box now and again because there's a different playstyle there

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Demo: Skullcutter

I like to use this over the bottle because it's better, for the sticky jumping demoman.

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Heavy: GRUs, Sandvich

GRUs/Sandvich combo is my Heavy playstyle, use the GRUs to rush quickly between battle and use the Sandvich to support me and my medic.

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Sniper: Jarate, Bushwacka, Razorback

I use either Jarate or the Razorback, never use the SMG. I love the Jarate mechanic, it's probably one of my favourite weapons in the game, and when combined with the Bushwacka, it's lethal. The Razorback is good for when I just want to sit back and snipe, and have to worry less about spies.

What different playstyle does the Black Box offer? Afaik all you do is shoot feet, get kill, while its heal mitigates self-damage. You have a lower damage output, enemies need more shots to take you down. It just slows everything down in my opinion, and the flat +15hp on hit (ignoring that I don't feel that's a Soldier mechanic) just promote spamming and should probably be tied to damage dealt instead at least?

Skullcutter is better... well I guess it can be sometimes, but there you have it. If you only use it because it's better then why is it there? Could you do the same with the Bottle? Probably. It's not an interesting unlock either way.

Same with the GRU/Sandvich "playstyle". It's just like the old Heavy playstyle, just faster and with more health. It is pretty much the staple but did Heavy really need all these upgrades? Nobody likes the Scout getting more health with the Milkman, and nobody liked losing Double Jump with the way old Sandman. I think taking away class specifics (like the slow speed and the slow rev-up time) really just hurts the variety... Sandvich, see a few posts above this. Would be fine if nerfed, I feel. It should focus on Heavy's (original...) focus on careful positioning more instead of just being his own Dead Ringer. Would you still use the GRU if it drained twice the health (12/s)?

Razorback I can understand, honestly. It's not as bad as some make it out to be especially because Spies can still counter it quite well.
But the Bushwacka... again, why on earth did the Sniper of all classes need an instagib melee attack? I thought that was supposed to be the Pyro's thing. When you get in close-range combat with a Sniper, you should have a huge advantage, end of story. Bushwacka really screws that dynamic up.

[NinjillaX]

Personally I love the Blackbox, because it goes so well with the Batallion Back up. It keeps me healthy and fighting when there are no medics near me, and has saved my life more than a few times.

[grazr]

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Originally Posted by NinjillaX

Personally I love the Blackbox, because it goes so well with the Batallion Back up. It keeps me healthy and fighting when there are no medics near me, and has saved my life more than a few times.

The BB is a crotch for a class that is already considered the most powerful in the game. You join a server and out of 4 soldiers 3 will be using the BB and the other wont because he doesn't have it yet.

It's a weapon for bad soldiers who can't aim or play the class properly (at mid-range). Or real soldier's who feel like trolling a public server. The self heal makes the soldier incredibly difficult to deal with in close proximity as it negates large chunks of self damage, especially as another soldier who'll have to fire off his third rocket because some twerp got 2 glancing blows on you during combat that bruahgt him 30hp above your damage output while you end up dead.

It's a soldier's anti-soldier weapon that when combo'd with a medic makes you quite impervious to all mid-range combat and most close combat.

[NinjillaX]

As long as I'm staying alive and racking up kills, call it a crutch or a noob weapon or what have you, because I like it

[LeSwordfish]

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It's a weapon for bad soldiers who can't aim or play the class properly (at mid-range).

*Raises hand*

Ok, i'll flat out admit it. I play using the black box because i am bad. Same reason i use the brass beast. I am bad at this game, and should not use these weapons, but frankly i doubt they make me a killing machine.

If you use the Brass Beast you aren't just a bad Heavy, you're a bad player, because you aren't thinking about all the aspects of your own class or other classes.

If you want to play a good Heavy, the vanilla minigun is your best bet.

[Fr0Z3n]

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Originally Posted by yyler

If you use the Brass Beast you aren't just a bad Heavy, you're a bad player, because you aren't thinking about all the aspects of your own class or other classes.

If you want to play a good Heavy, the vanilla minigun is your best bet.

in the VERY VERY rare cases people catch me as a heavy, I use my iron curtain.