[WiP] ctf_railways

krik3t · 02-09-2009, 11:52 AM

Railways

Latest version: a5b

Railways is small ctf map build with idea of non-hurting trains used as moving obstacles in the central area between team bases.

Updates in a2:

repaired some minor graphic glitches
wider stairs in front of spawns
spawnroom moved to reduce visibility from main building door
some clips added

Updates in a3:

blocked tunnel sides and added maintenance tunnel
trains recreated - now 3 trains with different length circling on each track
added some details into red base (no finished yet)
3D skybox added (not finished yet)
signs added
another small changes

Updates in a4:

odd train angles repaired
added truck and piles of wood under the rocks next to base entrances to allow anyone jump up the first floor
added details to red base interior (not finished yet)
added some more details worldwide

Updates in a5:

added some props along the railways to fimplify jumping to trains
reorganized crates around truck and on other side to simplify jumpinf up
removed one lost prop-pipe floating on bridge

Updates in a5b:

added nobuild to trains and capture points
resolved stuck-points on plank bridges
set door timers valve style (trigger reset 0, door reset -1)
pipes in tunnel moved into hurt zone to avoid stuck in it

Thanks to GrimGriz, map is now awailable on his server 63.211.221.159:27015

krik3t · 02-11-2009, 02:11 AM

Yesterday, we playtested map on GrimGrizs server. Although there weren't many players I have some basic feedback.

My feelings from playing:

- map is very small (feel smaller than turbine) thus very fast, with scout and some luck you can cap inteligence in one minute. With more players it will be much more complicated of course.

- there's no "owning" sentry spot, even with two sentrys you can't dominate central area (I really hate this on turbine).

I'm rather happy with map now, but still I really need more playtesting and feedback from others.

GrimGriz · 02-11-2009, 02:32 AM

Just in case you forget, my main feedback was that the trains come too often. Other than that, I thought it was a very fun map, and very well put-together.

krik3t · 02-11-2009, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Just in case you forget, my main feedback was that the trains come too often. Other than that, I thought it was a very fun map, and very well put-together.

Moving and blocking trains is the main idea of the map. I want players to have to jump over trains, raid them and so. Without trains you can cap intel in about 30 sec. First time I was thinking about neverending trains. Maybe I can add more flatbeds to trains (now its every 3rd wagon).

Of course, If I get same judgement from more players I'll make some changes.

Still - many thanks for your feedback.

Ravidge · 02-11-2009, 07:20 AM

It's too hard to rocketjump over both of the trains in one go. Look at the first picture, If a soldier is standing where the blue intel compass are and he performs a rocketjump, where is he supposed to land? There is no way he's going to reach the rock/cliff because he needs height no fly over the trains. Best thing would be to land on the second train but even that is terrible, landing on something that moves is seriously confusing and there's not much room to navigate in (bridge and cliff are very restricting)

After 3 or 4 tries at jumping over the trains I gave up and started using the bridge. It was just too much work, too hard, for no adavantage at all. (I had 220 ping so It might have been harder for me that it actually is)

Also, the supports under the bridge are too close to the tracks.

The bases seem to have a good size (a little small maybe) and good alternative paths, might play differently with more players though. There was one "exit" however that led from flagroom to spawn/traintunnel and when I tried to escape after taking the intel I ran into that tunnel, straight into a door that wouldn't open and then onto a train that pushed me into instadeath tunnel. It was very confusing... (make it clear which doors are spawnroom doors)
The spawnrooms main exit door could be easily camped and I felt really bad when I was forced to fight right outside of the enemy spawn. But it is basically right there as soon as you enter the base and it can't be avoided (I only used the bridge entrance)

I could not find any sniper spots that were overpowered and health and ammo were nicely distributed around the map.

krik3t · 02-11-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravidge

It's too hard to rocketjump over both of the trains in one go. Look at the first picture, If a soldier is standing where the blue intel compass are and he performs a rocketjump, where is he supposed to land? There is no way he's going to reach the rock/cliff because he needs height no fly over the trains. Best thing would be to land on the second train but even that is terrible, landing on something that moves is seriously confusing and there's not much room to navigate in (bridge and cliff are very restricting)

Yea, I noticed you are master rocket-jumper

I'm not sure if I want easy rocket-jump over both trains. I think being able to jump on (first!) train / over it is enough. I'm even thinking about widening space between trains to make it more battle-zone. Now its more like connecting corridor.

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Originally Posted by Ravidge

Also, the supports under the bridge are too close to the tracks.

Yep, exactly. Will be changed. Same with piles of planks/logs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravidge

The bases seem to have a good size (a little small maybe) and good alternative paths, might play differently with more players though. There was one "exit" however that led from flagroom to spawn/traintunnel and when I tried to escape after taking the intel I ran into that tunnel, straight into a door that wouldn't open and then onto a train that pushed me into instadeath tunnel. It was very confusing... (make it clear which doors are spawnroom doors)

I'll be thinking about optimal way to do so. Some good placed signs should do I hope.

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Originally Posted by Ravidge

The spawnrooms main exit door could be easily camped and I felt really bad when I was forced to fight right outside of the enemy spawn. But it is basically right there as soon as you enter the base and it can't be avoided (I only used the bridge entrance)

Because of main-door camping I created second spawn exit. I must say I'm not fully satisfied, that one way to intel is "through" enemy spawn, but can't find alternative way without making it too easy for attackers.

GrimGriz · 02-11-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by krik3t

Moving and blocking trains is the main idea of the map. I want players to have to jump over trains, raid them and so. Without trains you can cap intel in about 30 sec. First time I was thinking about neverending trains. Maybe I can add more flatbeds to trains (now its every 3rd wagon)

What about more trains of varying length?

The way it is now, it's like you have train A twice....like the second copy is half way across the map before the first one is out of the tunnel, and that's just one 1 track! It's too easy to see that it's a pattern.

Also, if you could make the tunnels maybe 16 units wider on either side of the train, it would make my life easier

krik3t · 02-12-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GrimGriz

What about more trains of varying length?

Yep, I'll make more shorter trains.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Also, if you could make the tunnels maybe 16 units wider on either side of the train, it would make my life easier

I was thinking opposite way - blocking tunel on side connected to middle area. I have to think ovet it again.

Fearlezz · 02-12-2009, 01:00 PM

I think this looks very nice, Although it is missing something, props. Put out some props inside. It would help alot.

Looking very nice and clean. Keep it up.

krik3t · 02-12-2009, 01:10 PM

It's still in alpha version. I'll add more props and details after more playtests.